Call Her Daddy Betrayal Exposed: What Sofia Franklyn’s New Book Reveals

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Hello. You guys, stop. Is it mom o' clock yet? I'm going crazy. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Heck yeah. It's mom o' clock somewhere. [00:00:16] Speaker A: Daddy, I [00:00:16] Speaker C: feel like I needed to wear this because based on what we're talking about today, like, just pink and just, like, sexy. [00:00:22] Speaker A: And I'm black and miserable. [00:00:24] Speaker C: I literally text you. I'm, like, wearing pink. [00:00:25] Speaker A: We. It's Wednesday. We're wearing [00:00:27] Speaker C: pink. [00:00:28] Speaker A: I don't remember. [00:00:28] Speaker C: I have daddy issues. No, [00:00:30] Speaker A: I do. My girlfriends and I thought we invented daddy issues. And here we are. Call her Daddy. [00:00:37] Speaker C: Yes. Yes. I. [00:00:38] Speaker A: We would go to the diner. [00:00:39] Speaker C: How good this smells. And [00:00:40] Speaker A: order the daddy issue special. [00:00:42] Speaker C: Who else has daddy issues? [00:00:43] Speaker A: I mean, every single one of my friends. [00:00:45] Speaker C: Oh, really? Actually, [00:00:47] Speaker A: no. We would actually go on Father's Day to the diner and be like, can we just have the daddy issue special? [00:00:52] Speaker C: Wait, that's crazy work. I didn't know you guys all had daddy issues. You guys, like, lived a rough life, huh? [00:00:56] Speaker A: Yeah, rough. [00:00:57] Speaker C: So rough. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Rough there. But I'm so happy to be here with you. You are back in the States. [00:01:01] Speaker C: I know. [00:01:01] Speaker A: Don't ever leave me again. [00:01:02] Speaker C: I'm leaving you in, like, three days. [00:01:04] Speaker A: I know, [00:01:04] Speaker C: but then we'll meet up again in Florida. [00:01:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll meet you there. [00:01:08] Speaker C: I'll meet you there. [00:01:09] Speaker A: See you on the beach. I was [00:01:11] Speaker C: about to say I'll [00:01:11] Speaker A: be wearing my cover. [00:01:12] Speaker C: I know. Literally. [00:01:13] Speaker A: And your bathing suits. I [00:01:14] Speaker C: gave you bathing suits. [00:01:16] Speaker A: Couple. [00:01:16] Speaker C: Oh, [00:01:17] Speaker A: went in your drawers. [00:01:20] Speaker C: Maybe that's why I'm missing some. [00:01:21] Speaker A: Are we starting? [00:01:22] Speaker C: Yeah, [00:01:23] Speaker A: we're rolling. [00:01:24] Speaker C: I have such a headache today. [00:01:26] Speaker A: No, you don't. You were dancing. She was dancing. Happy, happy dance that she was brushing her teeth in the United States and she didn't have to use water bottle water. Do people actually use water bottles to brush their teeth? [00:01:38] Speaker C: She doesn't understand. [00:01:39] Speaker A: Really? Wait, wait. So, like, if you're in a good hotel, you can't just turn on the sink and brush your teeth? [00:01:44] Speaker C: No, [00:01:44] Speaker A: I think I would. [00:01:45] Speaker C: You don't. You've never gone out of the country? No, [00:01:47] Speaker A: no, I've 100 been to Mexico. I've been to places and I've. [00:01:50] Speaker C: Well, Mexico. Anyway, I'm getting distracted now because now you have me thinking about water in Aruba. [00:01:57] Speaker A: But Aruba's fine. Just don't be taken. [00:02:03] Speaker C: I can drink the water in Aruba. Right. Question mark. I went before. Like, I'm being so dramatic. I just. I'm. I'm in a weird spot because I had to go to the doctor. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Okay. [00:02:12] Speaker C: Just in like a weird. It's [00:02:13] Speaker A: just like [00:02:14] Speaker C: crazy. [00:02:15] Speaker A: I just. I think I'm too carefree. [00:02:17] Speaker C: But he's like, no, that's not even carefree. That's just like. Disruptive. No, disruptive. That's just like. [00:02:23] Speaker A: I'm planning a whole vacation to the doctor with my kids. My kids won't brush their teeth with water bottles. [00:02:27] Speaker C: They have to. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Oh, my. [00:02:31] Speaker C: Okay. That's like crazy. I can't get into that with you. Okay, let me just start by. If we're talking about it, the doctor I had to go to the Dominican Republic for my best friend's wedding. Would never miss it in the. If I broke both my legs. You [00:02:44] Speaker A: are such a good friend. [00:02:45] Speaker C: Thank you so much. So she was getting married, and I just have a fear of places out of the country because I just have had a really tough experience. So I just. I'm older now. I have more like, responsibility. So I'm just like. I'm just like, navigating my brain cell. So anyway, we go to the doctor. [00:03:03] Speaker A: You have more responsibility. Meaning, like, somebody's at home, relies on you. [00:03:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Like I can't just, like, be sick. Like, I can't just like, not feel okay. I have things to do, places to be. Right to. So we get to Newark airport, we're going to the doctor Friday. [00:03:18] Speaker A: Meanwhile, you were sick for a whole month. [00:03:20] Speaker C: I strep throat for a whole month. Literally. I took antibiotic and I finally feel better. I still have a cough. [00:03:26] Speaker A: Do you see what antibiotic does? [00:03:28] Speaker C: I didn't feel like a world of a difference, but I definitely was quicker to recover. [00:03:32] Speaker A: Yes. [00:03:32] Speaker C: So, yes, I do understand the world of antibiotics. [00:03:35] Speaker A: Louder for the people in the back. [00:03:37] Speaker C: Antibiotics. So anyway, we get to the airport at 7. I'm sorry, we board at 7:50. So we had to wake up at 5:30, get ready, get to the airport, go through security, the whole thing. We board at 7:50. [00:03:50] Speaker A: Okay. [00:03:51] Speaker C: We're sitting there. We're sitting there. We're sitting there [00:03:53] Speaker A: on the plane. [00:03:54] Speaker C: Yes. The pilot comes on the loudspeaker and says, okay, you guys, bad news. Now, mind you, this is [00:04:02] Speaker A: bad. I [00:04:03] Speaker C: might. I'm cutting this short. [00:04:04] Speaker A: Cut. Cut it short. [00:04:05] Speaker C: We were on the [00:04:07] Speaker A: Runway. [00:04:08] Speaker C: Runway for four hours. Okay? So it's. [00:04:10] Speaker A: There's nothing worse than that. [00:04:11] Speaker C: It is 12:30 and we've been sitting like this. Let me remind you, it was day two of my period. So I'm gushing blood out of every piece of hole that I can. You can imagine. So. So 12:30 comes on, pilot comes on the loudspeaker. Just let everybody know the flight that was supposed to leave at 6:30 in the morning never left. All planes are grounded that are heading to the Caribbean. The Caribbean's are suffering from severe thunderstorms and flooding. We can't fly in. Okay, so if the flight that was supposed to leave at 6:30 didn't leave, why did we even board? [00:04:46] Speaker A: Right? [00:04:47] Speaker C: So we get off the plane. [00:04:48] Speaker A: They were wishful thinking. [00:04:50] Speaker C: No update. Say they'll give us an update at 1:30. No update at 1:30. We'll give you an update at 2:30. No update at 2:30. Now I'm like, I'm not going, I'm not going to. But I have to go. But I'm not going. But [00:04:59] Speaker A: are [00:05:00] Speaker C: we even going? [00:05:00] Speaker A: So [00:05:01] Speaker C: can we go? Because there was no update. Like there's pregnant women with two children. Like, and here I am complaining like they're like pregnant with two toddlers. Like I can't even imagine. Mind you, 750 we boarded is now 2:30 in the afternoon. [00:05:14] Speaker A: So I feel bad for you, but like I feel way more bad for them. [00:05:17] Speaker C: I feel way more. Because imagine [00:05:19] Speaker A: having children on that plane and you can't get off, you can't do anything. I'm sure they already went through their snacks, they already went through their iPad list of [00:05:26] Speaker C: now things [00:05:27] Speaker A: down below. [00:05:27] Speaker C: You kind of plan, plan, like [00:05:29] Speaker A: plan for [00:05:30] Speaker C: this hour of trip for your toddler. So imagine. So they're sleeping this whole time saying, okay, great, [00:05:34] Speaker A: but [00:05:35] Speaker C: now you have another five hour flight that you have to prepare for that you weren't ready for that time frame for your toddler done. So she's canceling that woman. She's like, I'm out of here. So I'm like, what do we do? [00:05:44] Speaker A: But you can't even get off the plane. She could cancel, but she's still. [00:05:47] Speaker C: Yeah, but now that we're off the plane, she could cancel, but we can't get her luggage. So she can't get her stroller. She can't get her luggage, so she's like stuck. Because we were thinking about canceling too. Because mind you, their welcome party, my, my best friend's welcome party was canceled, [00:06:00] Speaker A: right? [00:06:00] Speaker C: Or was switched to like a different room. Mind you, she didn't even go because she had this flu severely. [00:06:05] Speaker A: My God. [00:06:06] Speaker C: Because it flooded in so [00:06:09] Speaker A: nobody could get to the Caribbean. So it was like a lot of people from her wedding were not [00:06:13] Speaker C: there. Yes, brother in law. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. [00:06:15] Speaker C: Plus she had the flu so it got moved to the ballroom. I think her welcome party. But we didn't make it there. Anyway. Anyway, we reboard at. We were about to cancel. We were saying fuck it to our luggage and we were just going to go home because, like, it was getting crazy there. [00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:32] Speaker C: So [00:06:32] Speaker A: a lot of hours. [00:06:33] Speaker C: We ended up waiting like another five minutes. Like, literally we're standing in front of the desk like, what do we do? What do we do? And then they announced that we're boarding again. So everyone was like, so excited. I'm like, I don't fucking believe them for a minute. [00:06:43] Speaker A: How many Xanax did you go through? [00:06:45] Speaker C: Just a half. Just a hand. So anyway, we reboard. [00:06:52] Speaker A: Okay. [00:06:53] Speaker C: And now it's 2:30. [00:06:55] Speaker A: Okay, [00:06:55] Speaker C: fast forward, fast forward. It's 5:30. [00:06:58] Speaker A: How many cheeseburgers have you. [00:07:00] Speaker C: I know. We're sitting on the flight for three more hours. M. The pilot comes on, the loudspeaker says, I have. So I don't know if you know this, but pilots only have a certain amount of time where they can stay on the flight until they have to be switched out with another pilot or the staff has to be switched out. [00:07:14] Speaker A: He [00:07:14] Speaker C: had 46 minutes, mind you, all the Caribbean flights [00:07:17] Speaker A: and then you have to get off the plane because he has to leave. [00:07:20] Speaker C: Correct. So now he has 46 minutes. So now, now you're giving me anxiety. Now I'm looking at the clock, like 46 minutes until we can get out of here. Like, the flight has to be in the air, which now I'm thinking, like, if he has 46 minutes until they. He legally can fly, like, why would I want to be in the air with him like for another five hours? Like, now I'm confused. [00:07:36] Speaker A: He's tired. [00:07:37] Speaker C: He's tired, like, what? So anyway, it's Dad's like, seven minutes left. We had like a bunch of planes ahead of us and we ended up taking off at 4, 5, 30. The flight was longer because we had to take a longer route because of the weather. The turbulence was so bad. I was hysterical. [00:07:51] Speaker A: Yeah, that's when you needed. [00:07:52] Speaker C: Because now at this point I'm like, I'm not meant to be on this flight. So now I'm scared. [00:07:57] Speaker A: Right. [00:07:57] Speaker C: So I'm not kidding. I've never, I've never really had flight anxiety. I just don't like to sit there. I was hysterical. I'm like, this is it, this is it. So we ended up landing. That [00:08:07] Speaker A: is the worst feeling [00:08:08] Speaker C: in the world. I mean, there's nothing you can do. [00:08:11] Speaker A: There's nothing you can do. And once your brain goes there, it is over, over, [00:08:14] Speaker C: over. Oh, My God, I. I had to watch. I watched Moana. I watched. I watched Moana 1 and 2. If I want to go out, I want to watch a kid show. And I want my son to know that I liked Moana. Joe. [00:08:22] Speaker A: Oh my God. [00:08:23] Speaker C: So [00:08:24] Speaker A: I hate that feeling. [00:08:25] Speaker C: No. It's so scary. So anyway, we ended up landing in the. At the resort, at the Putana Airport. Like 12:30. We didn't get until 1:30. We get to the hotel. It's like a golf cart away, the hotel room. Because it's so big, this resort, our keys don't work. So the guy who drove us on the golf war had to go back, get our keys to work all the way back. And we finally got to the hotel. I didn't eat all day. I was starving. I had breakfast, it was so bad. So anyway, that was my. And then on top of it all, my poor friend had the goddamn flu. She didn't leave her room until the morning of her wedding, which was Sunday, and she couldn't even enjoy her wedding. I felt so awful for her. Like, there's absolutely nothing worse than. Not only like people not being able to make it. Your welcome party being postponed or rescheduled or like in a different room, not the way you wanted it. And you having the flu. You can't leave your room. [00:09:15] Speaker A: No. [00:09:16] Speaker C: And feeling that way, like not only can you not leave your room, like everything's room and like you don't feel good, [00:09:20] Speaker A: you know, I can't think of [00:09:21] Speaker C: it. It's not like you left your wedding dress. You don't have something, like you physically don't feel good. And on top of it, may I remind you, her bridal shower was in the summer. It was canceled because of that storm. That nor eastern in the summer. So she didn't have a bridal shower. [00:09:33] Speaker A: This poor girl. [00:09:34] Speaker C: Something, some. Someone, God needs to give her something I have to give her a lot of credit. [00:09:39] Speaker A: Something good. [00:09:39] Speaker C: She showed up and she enjoyed herself the best way she could. But she's there till Saturday, so hopefully she's enjoying more of her time. I got to see her the last Monday when we were leaving. We didn't leave till like, mind you, the [00:09:50] Speaker A: late. I kept [00:09:51] Speaker C: six o' clock at night. [00:09:52] Speaker A: I kept checking the location and kept saying she was in the Dominican. [00:09:55] Speaker C: So annoying. [00:09:55] Speaker A: But [00:09:56] Speaker C: I spent some time by her, with her, by the pool. [00:09:59] Speaker A: I mean, [00:10:00] Speaker C: awful. Like, awful turn of events. Like so bad. And mind you, on top of, I'm in the Dominican, brushing my teeth with water bottles. It was just like too much for me to handle. I was like, I can't. And it was laughable at that point. [00:10:10] Speaker A: But you made it home. [00:10:11] Speaker C: Yeah, made it home. [00:10:11] Speaker A: And you were there for your best friend, Good friend. [00:10:14] Speaker C: Wouldn't miss it for the world. [00:10:15] Speaker A: Wouldn't miss it. I'm happy you're home. [00:10:17] Speaker C: What happened to you? Because that was, like, long winded. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Oh, anything good? Well, when you were gone, my kids were out of school for the entire week, and I had no vacations and nothing to do. [00:10:27] Speaker C: Were your teachers like, are you happy you're back? Because my teacher was like, aren't you glad that we have school today? [00:10:32] Speaker A: Yes, the teachers asked me that. But just something triggered me when you were talking about your anxiety of your plane going down. I had a panic attack myself. I took my three kids to New York City for the first time with my neighbor and her two kids. So it was two adults, five children. Do [00:10:49] Speaker C: you trust her? [00:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I love her. I trust her. I [00:10:51] Speaker C: know she's, like, funny, and [00:10:52] Speaker A: she's great. We have a really good time together. Her kids are 9 and. No, 6, 8, and 9. And my kids adore them. And so first time, my kids going on a train to New York City. First time going in, like, a taxi without, like, a car seat, because I didn't have that first time not bringing a stroller or a diaper bag, like, with me. So it was a lot of firsts for me. On the way home, we had a great time in the city. We went to the Color Factory Museum. I loved it. We had milkshakes flavor. [00:11:25] Speaker C: Did you go to that place? What's the milkshake place? [00:11:28] Speaker A: I don't remember, but, like, yeah, the [00:11:30] Speaker C: Sugar Factory. [00:11:31] Speaker A: No, we didn't go there, but we went to a really good milkshake place that had, like, giant cake on top of it. It was good. Kids loved it. But on our way home, we're on the train, and we get onto the train and you know, Penn Station, like, you have to go under. And I'm holding Rocco with one hand holding Vienna. We're trying to, like, everyone's trying to hold hands, and it's like, a lot of crowds, [00:11:52] Speaker C: like, [00:11:53] Speaker A: getting on the train. We finally get on the train. The conductor comes on, is like, everybody off the train. And I'm like, why? [00:12:00] Speaker C: Literally. [00:12:00] Speaker A: So everybody is just, like, scrambling and, like, getting off the train, like, super quick. And I'm like, so now I'm panicking. [00:12:05] Speaker C: What's your panic like? Like, what do you feel when you panic? [00:12:07] Speaker A: My whole body gets hot. I'm like, I'm like sweating. I. I'm internally panicking, but trying to, like, keep my cool. And my neighbor's like, cool, calm and collected. Like, she's. She, she. She's a city girl. She does this all the time. And I'm just like, I never leave my house. Like, I [00:12:21] Speaker C: die. [00:12:22] Speaker A: So we go back up to Penn Station and then go back. Look at the train schedule. Go back down because it says another train is coming. We're trying to get to Metro Park. And then this. So a train is sitting on the track and this guy is standing there and he's like, don't get on that train to us. And I'm like, why not? And he's like, just don't get on that train. And I'm just like, okay, so I'm gonna listen to this random guy. [00:12:44] Speaker C: I absolutely would too. [00:12:45] Speaker A: Would not get on the train. And my neighbor's like, no, this train. We're going to get on the train. So we get on the train and then. Okay, I [00:12:52] Speaker C: would be like, I'm not. I would absolutely hold my ground knocking on that train. [00:12:55] Speaker A: I know. [00:12:55] Speaker C: Like, why would he say that? [00:12:56] Speaker A: Who knows? So we get on the train, everyone's like, all like, in a tizzy because nobody knows. It's the same people that had to get off the first train. What's going [00:13:05] Speaker C: on? [00:13:06] Speaker A: And like, I was just like [00:13:07] Speaker C: able to tell you. [00:13:08] Speaker A: So then I started. Well, they did, but I started to like, get in my head, panic. So now we finally get like a four seater or a six seater. We can all sit and everybody else is just standing in the aisles. Cause the train was so crowded. Cause that first train got canceled. So now we're sitting in the train and I'm just like looking around and this guy is standing right here and he has a backpack on, like a. It's a military backpack. And he does not look like a military guy. And he's just like [00:13:34] Speaker C: judging a book by its counter. [00:13:35] Speaker A: I'm totally judging. And he's just like, really fidgety. And he's just like checking his pockets, right? And I see, right, I see. I'm looking at him. Cause he's standing right here. I see his phone is right here in his pocket. And he's like frantically looking in his pockets. And I'm thinking he's looking for his phone because, like, what else would you be looking for? Then he goes to his front pocket and he has this, like, it looks like a beeper, like a black beeper. And like my head like, [00:13:58] Speaker C: oh, I'm sorry. [00:13:58] Speaker A: I Have seen every Homeland thing. [00:14:00] Speaker C: Oh, forget [00:14:00] Speaker A: it. I'm like, okay, this is a bomb backpack. He's about to bomb this entire train. And this is how he's [00:14:06] Speaker C: freaking out. [00:14:07] Speaker A: Freaking out internally. Okay? No one knows I'm freaking out. Then as I'm having an internal panic attack, my neighbor's kid, she's going through something. She's, like, super dark right now. She's 8 years old, mind you. [00:14:19] Speaker C: She's. And [00:14:19] Speaker A: they're. They're talking like the kids are all just talking, like. Like having a grand old time. And then she starts talking. She's like, I want to die right now. And I'm like, what? And she's like, I feel like dying. And this is like. Kids say the darndest things. And now I'm in a fucking full pan that [00:14:35] Speaker C: this [00:14:35] Speaker A: is, like, destination. Like, [00:14:37] Speaker C: oh, [00:14:37] Speaker A: she wants to die. There's a. No, they're [00:14:39] Speaker C: sending me [00:14:41] Speaker A: die. I'm like, honey, don't say that. And she's like, no. Like, I miss my cat and my dog. [00:14:45] Speaker C: Okay, wait, [00:14:45] Speaker A: so. So now, [00:14:46] Speaker C: I mean, can I ask you something? Do you ever feel bad that your kids don't know what's going on [00:14:51] Speaker A: 100%. Is that [00:14:52] Speaker C: a thing for you? I feel worse for my kid that he has no idea. [00:14:55] Speaker A: No idea. And then I. Then I stare at poor, innocent Vienna's face, and she's just, like, playing with her little Barbie, like, brushing their hair. And I'm like, this is crazy. But, like, I'm about to watch this all blow up. [00:15:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, what? Wait, stop. You're freaking me out. I need to know what happened. [00:15:09] Speaker A: So then the conductor gets on the loudspeaker again and expands. Explains why the train. There was so many issues with the train. There was actually a fatality. Someone jumped in front of the first train that we were on so they couldn't use that track. So they. [00:15:23] Speaker C: Why? [00:15:24] Speaker A: Because it was a crime scene on the track, so we had to get off that track so we couldn't. So that was why the first train was canceled. This train that we were on was fine. The guy that I think is a bomber is standing right next to me. And all of a sudden, he turns to me. Our kids are arguing about something, and he turns and he looks at me. He goes, this is a soap, Rob. This is funny. You deal with this every day. Oh, [00:15:48] Speaker C: thank God. [00:15:48] Speaker A: And I was like, oh, my God, you're such a nice man. Talking about. [00:15:51] Speaker C: It's so bad that we. You just judge the fucking shit out [00:15:53] Speaker A: of him. I just judge the fucking Shit out of him. [00:15:55] Speaker C: I mean. Yeah. How do you not [00:15:56] Speaker A: in [00:15:57] Speaker C: this day and age? [00:15:58] Speaker A: Like, you just don't know. And like. And then. And then we were joking around with him, and I was like. I mean, I was. I was never gonna tell him that I thought there was a bomb in his backpack. [00:16:05] Speaker C: Well, speaking of bombs, at Newark Airport Monday night when we flew in, there was a bomb threat on the plane from Newark to New Orleans. [00:16:13] Speaker A: No, they [00:16:14] Speaker C: had to grab the [00:16:14] Speaker A: plane up. The heads have to go there. And [00:16:17] Speaker C: I'm so afraid. [00:16:17] Speaker A: And then I stare at my innocent kids that know nothing and they didn't know I was [00:16:21] Speaker C: they. That makes me sick. Like, he's sitting here, like, so happy, and I'm sitting here, [00:16:24] Speaker A: like, terrible. So anyway, end of story. I needed a Xanax, and I did not have one. And next time I travel anywhere, I will. [00:16:31] Speaker C: Oh, my God, you absolutely need Xanax. [00:16:34] Speaker A: I'm so [00:16:34] Speaker C: glad we're okay. Let's get into, like, something else because, like, I'm stressed the fuck out now. We're talking about daddy issues today. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Love a good. If you don't [00:16:44] Speaker C: know what that is. Sophia Franklin just came out with her new book called Daddy Issues, and it has everything to do with her and Alex Cooper's relationship and Call Her Daddy. So, unfortunately, our books just arrived today. [00:17:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So we didn't actually get to read the books, but we did a lot of research. We did a [00:17:06] Speaker C: lot of research. We're [00:17:06] Speaker A: gonna [00:17:06] Speaker C: try our best, but we're going to do more so. Of trying to relate it to [00:17:12] Speaker A: us. [00:17:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Our friendships and mom life and, like, how we would feel like, as a normal human being, like, going through something. Something like this in the public eye. So again, we didn't read the book yet. I'm dying to. I've. [00:17:28] Speaker A: I think my heard [00:17:28] Speaker C: a lot of things. Yeah. So. [00:17:31] Speaker A: So let's [00:17:31] Speaker C: get to [00:17:32] Speaker A: it. An opening thought. Have you ever had a friendship end and realized there was a version of the story being told that you barely recognized? Imagine millions of people deciding who you are based on that version, which is Sophia Franklin's new book, Daddy Issues, and it's bringing the call her daddy breakup back into the conversation. And there's a lot more than podcast drama. [00:17:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:57] Speaker A: That comes into it. [00:17:58] Speaker C: Right. [00:17:58] Speaker A: Because, I mean, the story is so. There's just so many, like, twists and turns of how they started. And let's. Let me. Let's get into, like, how they started. They started in 2018. Right. They launched the podcast Call Her Daddy. [00:18:16] Speaker C: You've been watching Alex Cooper and Sophia Franklin since the beginning. [00:18:21] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:22] Speaker C: So you know a lot about the relationship from the jump. Like, I really don't. So the original Call Her Daddy listeners like you. [00:18:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:29] Speaker C: What did you believe was the break? [00:18:32] Speaker A: So I. [00:18:32] Speaker C: 2020. What did you believe? [00:18:34] Speaker A: So originally, I was, like, a big fan of Call Her Daddy. [00:18:37] Speaker C: Specifically Alex Cooper, or [00:18:39] Speaker A: specifically just both of them together. But I did. I loved Alex. I thought what they had together was great. It was, like, really the first time where women had that locker room. Dirty, Filthy. The star of their podcast was talking about their sexual endeavors and all of their ins and outs of their relationship. And they were best friends. They were roommates. They did everything together. They [00:19:03] Speaker C: knew everything. [00:19:04] Speaker A: They knew everything. They were just like, they. They seemed like they were best friends, and they genuinely seemed like they loved each other. And they were. I mean, they were partners, [00:19:13] Speaker C: and [00:19:14] Speaker A: they built it together. [00:19:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:15] Speaker A: Right. So that's what I thought. And then the whole switch happened in was 20 when Barstool came and offered them a deal. Right. So they. They were making nothing. They were making, like, I mean, $75,000, but. [00:19:36] Speaker C: Which is a lot more than we were making. [00:19:38] Speaker A: But they knew their worth, and they saw what Barstool was. Barstool was making so much money off of them, and they were personally not making any money enough. So Barstool came to them and offered them each $500,000 for a year contract. Right. And the main thing was that Alex wanted to take the deal, and Sophia thought they were worth more. [00:20:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:02] Speaker A: And said no. [00:20:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:03] Speaker A: And then. So at [00:20:04] Speaker C: that time, like. So when it switched, like, what were your thoughts were, like, all right, well, Alex Cooper is the smart one. Yeah. [00:20:10] Speaker A: Well, yeah. So [00:20:10] Speaker C: he's a dumb idiot. [00:20:11] Speaker A: Right. That's what the public thought. And that's on. That's kind of what, like, the limelight you [00:20:16] Speaker C: were [00:20:16] Speaker A: led to leave. Right. Yeah. Because, like. And then it was like, Sophia kind of just, like, disappeared. [00:20:21] Speaker C: But I feel like we didn't have it. Like, now that I'm. Again, I wasn't in your position where I was. I was a fan of them back then, but I do know a lot now, and I just feel like. Did you or anyone even have enough information [00:20:31] Speaker A: to [00:20:31] Speaker C: pick a side? [00:20:32] Speaker A: Right. I don't think so. And I think. [00:20:33] Speaker C: But you did, because the media just guided you towards that direction. The [00:20:38] Speaker A: media guided us towards Alex Cooper. And, like. [00:20:40] Speaker C: But you heard Alex Cooper's story first. [00:20:42] Speaker A: We heard Alice Cooper story first. Sophia really was kind of silent, and she didn't even have, like, a chance to talk. I feel like, she, like, Alex, like, took it over. Like, she. [00:20:52] Speaker C: She was definitely captain. [00:20:53] Speaker A: Yeah, [00:20:53] Speaker C: you could tell. [00:20:53] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, you could tell. And, like, [00:20:56] Speaker C: was it like that during the beginning seasons, like, they. You could tell Alex kind of. So Alex [00:21:00] Speaker A: is, like, more of, like, the production, like, personality. Like, she was. Who, [00:21:04] Speaker C: Sophie and who's Alex in this relationship? Am I Alex and you're Sophia? [00:21:07] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [00:21:08] Speaker C: So I'm making a lot of money. [00:21:10] Speaker A: A lot of money. No, but she. And, like, she. She also had the background of, like, editing and, like, she. Oh, [00:21:16] Speaker C: yeah, right. [00:21:17] Speaker A: Does production. All that. So Sophia. And Sophia even says, like, she. She [00:21:21] Speaker C: had a job. She was working at Morgan [00:21:22] Speaker A: Stanley. So Sophia had a job. And the first time that Alex had a meeting with, like, Dave Portnoy, Sophia wasn't even there because Alex wouldn't wait for her to get out of work. [00:21:36] Speaker C: Right. [00:21:36] Speaker A: So, like, just right then and there. And she [00:21:38] Speaker C: talked about. I mean, [00:21:38] Speaker A: it's, like, sneaky. [00:21:39] Speaker C: It is. But, like, I'm not to get into detail because we'll. We'll get into that. But, like, it just goes to show, like, she needed the money. So she was working at Morgan Stanley. [00:21:47] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:47] Speaker C: And she was being harassed by this guy and didn't want to makeup and have her hair done and be dressed, so she had to get ready after work. Meanwhile, Alex Cooper's sitting there with her outline, like, ready to go, not even preparing Sophia [00:21:58] Speaker A: and. And Alex would, like, have her outline and not even have one for. Right, [00:22:01] Speaker C: that's what I just said. Yeah. [00:22:02] Speaker A: I feel like. [00:22:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I feel like there was just [00:22:05] Speaker A: from. I feel like from the jump, Alex knew that she was about to take over. Yeah. [00:22:09] Speaker C: Because she probably took advantage of Sophia's. Like, she brought the talent of the podcast. [00:22:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:14] Speaker C: But Alex brought the business, and she saw the business, like, light bulb in her head. Like, I could take over this podcast. [00:22:21] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:22] Speaker C: Without Sophia and probably do a better job. Which is crazy because, like, I think two is better than one. [00:22:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:26] Speaker C: In my opinion. But I feel like, like you were saying, why don't you give, like, a little quick context of, like, Sophia and Alex, like, where they started and everything? It's literally under quick context and go from there. [00:22:38] Speaker A: Okay. Sophia and Alex Cooper launched Call her daddy in 2018. Their partnership ended during the 2020 barstool contract dispute. Al continued with the show, while Sofia later launched Sophia with an F. The memoir revisits Sophia's life and her account of the friendship and professional split. [00:22:56] Speaker C: I can't believe it was only 2020. I [00:22:58] Speaker A: know. It was only two years that they. [00:23:00] Speaker C: Well, when did. I mean, 2018 is when you started. That's crazy. [00:23:04] Speaker A: That's when Call Her Daddy started. Yeah. [00:23:06] Speaker C: Like. Like Sophia and [00:23:07] Speaker A: Alex. [00:23:08] Speaker C: Yeah. That's [00:23:08] Speaker A: crazy. It's [00:23:09] Speaker C: not that long [00:23:09] Speaker A: ago. No, no. And it wasn't that long ago. It was [00:23:11] Speaker C: like a year and a half. They were. They were filming. I feel like then to. [00:23:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And it. It all came down to money ownership and secret negotiations. Sophia found out that [00:23:21] Speaker C: she was making more money. [00:23:21] Speaker A: Making more money, and there was just a lot of things. There was a lot of betrayal in. [00:23:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:27] Speaker A: In it. And I, I. I think that two things can be true. I think that Alex, as a businesswoman, she probably did the right thing. I mean, she's a billionaire now. But, like, also, [00:23:38] Speaker C: they say, like, it's showbiz, baby. But, like, [00:23:39] Speaker A: at what you [00:23:40] Speaker C: said, to what [00:23:40] Speaker A: cost? At what cost? Like, Like, I just feel like your relationships, they mean something. It's like, I mean, we're gonna relate it to us. Like, we're doing this together. And, like, I mean, we could say we could never. But, like, also, it's like when people say that it's really hard to, like, have a partnership and a friendship, and, like, how do you separate that? But, like, it's just sometimes you just, like, you just know. Like, you know the person so well. But Sophia thought that she knew Alex. I [00:24:07] Speaker C: mean, yeah, [00:24:07] Speaker A: they [00:24:08] Speaker C: could very [00:24:08] Speaker A: well be [00:24:09] Speaker C: us sitting in here right [00:24:09] Speaker A: now. But, like. Yeah, [00:24:11] Speaker C: I just feel like I. She probably said this too. Like, I know you. [00:24:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:15] Speaker C: And you know me. Like, there's no shot in hell that anyone can ever break us apart. Unless, like, someone killed one of us. I don't know. [00:24:24] Speaker A: I. I really. I couldn't see it happening, but I know that. [00:24:28] Speaker C: Yeah, [00:24:28] Speaker A: Sophia said that, too. [00:24:29] Speaker C: So, [00:24:30] Speaker A: I mean, I guess anything can happen. And [00:24:32] Speaker C: I just feel like. Why do you feel, like listeners felt, like, personally involved in their friendship? [00:24:37] Speaker A: Well, because [00:24:38] Speaker C: you watched them back then, so. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Yeah, well, because I think they were a fan of the two of them together. Think about, like, people that you love together. Yeah. Like, [00:24:44] Speaker C: they just, like, [00:24:45] Speaker A: they're more [00:24:46] Speaker C: fun together. Yeah. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, they were way more fun together. And they. The stories they told, like, they were. And listeners just, like, felt like they were the daddy gang. Like, you just were with them in every crazy thing they did, and then they just, like, totally split up. It's like. It's like we say like a breakup. A breakup. But, like, a friendship breakup is worse. [00:25:05] Speaker C: Way worse. And [00:25:06] Speaker A: in [00:25:06] Speaker C: the public eye, way worse. I feel like, I don't know it's just. It's just. It's so hard to see when you're in it. But, I mean, truth always comes out, right? The truth. That's why you always tell the truth, because the truth always comes out. But just to, like, turn gears a little bit. I just feel like they were both doing different, different amounts of work. So, like, how, like, how. How are they equal, equally important when they're both doing different amount of work? Alex is doing the editing, Sophia's bringing the content. Like, how. How were they equally as important? Like, when you were watching them back then? Like, I should have pulled up what I should have done. It's something I didn't do. I did every other research. But this is like, watch the beginning episodes. [00:25:49] Speaker A: Yeah, they were. They were raunchy. [00:25:51] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, you know. [00:25:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I don't. I. But like, just as a listener back then, like, I didn't even really know anything about podcasts. [00:25:58] Speaker C: How was Alex making more money and Sophia didn't know? [00:26:00] Speaker A: Right. Like, that's. That's where the betrayal is. Like that. [00:26:03] Speaker C: How did that happen? [00:26:04] Speaker A: It would be one thing if, like, [00:26:05] Speaker C: isn't barstool saying, like, you really want to do that to Sophia? [00:26:08] Speaker A: No, they don't care. [00:26:09] Speaker C: They're just making money. [00:26:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Money is. Money is the root of all evil. And I don't know, I think that Alex obviously is a. Is a money hungry. I mean, you could see with all her relationships, even Alix Earl, like, she just is like a go getter and she just wanted to get her way to the top and she was willing to burn every bridge to get there. [00:26:31] Speaker C: Right. She don't give a [00:26:32] Speaker A: no. And she did it. And she's a billionaire and she built [00:26:35] Speaker C: so [00:26:36] Speaker A: Unwell Empire, which Sophia, it was her word. [00:26:39] Speaker C: Right. I remember her saying she was in like, CVS or something. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Yeah, she saw the unwel thing, [00:26:44] Speaker C: but just relating it back to Mama Clock, like, you and I are obviously family and friends, but we also do this together. So we have conversations. Like, and there's some conversations we avoid because it's going to be an awkward conversation. But at what point does that awkward conversation become the problem? [00:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah, like, you have to have it. Like, I don't know, like, let's just pretend that I [00:27:07] Speaker C: feel like we've had conversations. Yeah, [00:27:09] Speaker A: we've had conversations. But like, let's just pretend like. [00:27:11] Speaker C: Yeah, like [00:27:12] Speaker A: a brand came to make up on [00:27:13] Speaker C: you. Yeah. Yeah. To me. Right. [00:27:14] Speaker A: A brand came to you and was like, dom, we're going to give you $20 million if you do this, I [00:27:22] Speaker C: would take off my clothes. [00:27:22] Speaker A: Right. But if they only want you, like, they only want you to do this Netflix documentary. Let's just say, [00:27:29] Speaker C: oh, my God. They don't want you. [00:27:30] Speaker A: They don't want me. [00:27:30] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:27:31] Speaker A: So, like, what do you do? [00:27:32] Speaker C: Oh, my God. I don't know. [00:27:33] Speaker A: Right. So, like, [00:27:34] Speaker C: it is [00:27:34] Speaker A: hard when things like that happen. Like, [00:27:36] Speaker C: I mean, I guess I could do it and give you money. [00:27:38] Speaker A: I mean, Alex Cooper was off. She got a six. She sold out $60 million to Spotify. Like, that's a lot of fucking money. [00:27:45] Speaker C: I know. [00:27:46] Speaker A: But, like, I don't know. It's. It's. [00:27:49] Speaker C: But all my biter in the ass right now. I rather never go through that and be poor. [00:27:56] Speaker A: I mean. [00:27:57] Speaker C: I mean, there's nothing worse than a friend breakup. There is nothing worse of a feeling when someone you care about. [00:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:03] Speaker C: Is no longer in your life. [00:28:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:06] Speaker C: Like, and I'm not talking about, like, they passed away. I'm talking about, like, they're [00:28:09] Speaker A: living and they're just not. [00:28:10] Speaker C: There's nothing more. There's literally nothing worse. Like, it sits with you forever, [00:28:13] Speaker A: right? [00:28:13] Speaker C: It really does. [00:28:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I can't. You ever think about [00:28:16] Speaker C: a friend you're not friends with anymore? Maybe. Maybe there's a reason, maybe there's not. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:19] Speaker C: But doesn't it make you sad [00:28:20] Speaker A: 100%. [00:28:21] Speaker C: I have a friend that I used to be inseparable with. Like, way back when, there was no reason why we weren't friends anymore. And I still look at her, I'm like, oh, my God. We, like, used to be. Like, we used to match. Like, we used to do, like, all the things. [00:28:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:32] Speaker C: It's like, I can't even imagine what Sophia. And on top of it, being with business paired with business and money and, like, livelihood and career. Like, forget it. That's like a fucking stab to the heart. [00:28:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And she sat with it for six years until she could tell her story, which is so crazy. [00:28:49] Speaker C: Like, why couldn't she tell her story? Do we know that? [00:28:52] Speaker A: Well, I think she was. There was a. Was writing [00:28:55] Speaker C: this book. [00:28:55] Speaker A: No, there was a whatchamacallit. [00:28:59] Speaker C: Oh, NDA. [00:29:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. I think [00:29:02] Speaker C: she [00:29:03] Speaker A: couldn't talk about for a while. [00:29:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:05] Speaker A: And then it, like, I don't know. [00:29:07] Speaker C: I mean, there's like, weird. I don't know where they gave credit to. It's like, I feel like Sophia was such, like, a shy gal. Like, I'm shy to an extent. Like, shy to an extent. Like, did she get credit? Like, where Was the creativeness coming from, like. But obviously in her book, as much as we know. [00:29:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:26] Speaker C: All of it came from her. It was all her ideas. [00:29:29] Speaker A: Right. [00:29:30] Speaker C: So [00:29:31] Speaker A: I feel like at this point, it was like Sophia, to lay it all on the line, like she had nothing to lose. [00:29:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:38] Speaker A: Like she has absolutely nothing to lose than to tell the truth. Like, her truth, [00:29:43] Speaker C: you're saying right [00:29:44] Speaker A: now. Right. So everybody's truth is different, but, like, for her to actually explicitly explain everything that happened to her up until this point. And [00:29:52] Speaker C: it's raw, apparently. The book's really raw. [00:29:54] Speaker A: Right. So, like, that's why I feel that Sofia is telling the truth. [00:29:58] Speaker C: There's no way she's lying. Why would she lie? She's no reason to [00:30:02] Speaker A: lie. Right. So that's why. I mean, my. My view has shifted on Alex Cooper, and I was a big Cooper. [00:30:08] Speaker C: I've been trying to tell you. I [00:30:09] Speaker A: know you never. I read right through [00:30:11] Speaker C: the lines. I really did. I mean, I. I admire her business ability and what she's doing and what she has created. Doesn't mean I don't admire that. I truly do. I would put myself in her shoes any day of the week. [00:30:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:25] Speaker C: But I would never. I just would never do that to a human being, especially, you know, let alone my best friend. [00:30:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:30:34] Speaker C: But. [00:30:34] Speaker A: And the way she did it, it was, like, very sneaky. [00:30:36] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I mean, I cannot wait to read that book. I mean, it's gonna be insane. [00:30:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:39] Speaker C: But just to go into a little bit about Sophia's version of the friendship behind the brand, like, this is a big shifter, because in a relationship, you can feel one way about a friendship, and the other person in the friendship feels the opposite, [00:30:56] Speaker A: but [00:30:57] Speaker C: you just don't realize it. So. In a recent interview, Sophia disrupted. I'm sorry. In a recent interview, Sophia disputed the portrayal that men were directing her decisions and described the private relationship as much worse than listeners understood. Separately, Us Weekly reported that Dave Portnoy wrote in his own memoir that he leaked a story about the dispute that helped deepen their division attribute. Both accounts, clearly. So how much can an audience really know about a friendship from. Through a microphone? [00:31:31] Speaker A: Right. I mean, [00:31:32] Speaker C: like, seriously [00:31:33] Speaker A: know what. What you're told. [00:31:35] Speaker C: Like, you're all. You only know what you're hearing right here. [00:31:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:39] Speaker C: So which brings me. I told you I was going to talk about this. This is separate from daddy issues. So I have been posting a lot of videos on TikTok. Like, it's so funny because, like, my videos get good views. Some of my videos of Me personally have gotten. Went viral, have gotten good views. But it's like a running joke that like a lot of my videos are like, of other people that go viral. Like, I'm still behind the creativeness. So like, give me credit. But I'm saying all this because of what I just said. Like, how do you know about somebody when you're just hearing them through a microphone? [00:32:14] Speaker A: Right? [00:32:15] Speaker C: People navigate. I'm sorry. People are attracted to negativity online. It is disgusting. And as much as I want to be famous, sometimes I'm like, do I? So some of these videos that I've been posting have gone viral. And the comment section, every comment is negative towards me, the woman behind the microphone. So anyway, I've been posting these videos and the comment section is. [00:32:41] Speaker A: Can you just tell the viewers what the videos are? [00:32:43] Speaker C: It's of my husband eating on vacation cheeseburgers. He has eaten. We were on vacation for literally 48 hours. He had maybe six cheeseburgers. [00:32:51] Speaker A: Okay? [00:32:52] Speaker C: So I was just taking videos of him eating cheeseburgers, [00:32:55] Speaker A: not shaming him. [00:32:56] Speaker C: But the reason why I was taking the videos is because it was like two minutes before we got on a flight, [00:32:59] Speaker A: right? [00:33:00] Speaker C: Or our flight just got canceled eating a cheeseburger. Don't we have better things to be doing? [00:33:04] Speaker A: Right? [00:33:04] Speaker C: So anyway, I post these videos and the comment section is. What [00:33:07] Speaker A: is the comment section like saying that's wrong. To [00:33:09] Speaker C: like calm the fuck down. Why are you stressed? Let your husband take the wheel. Like he's doing the right thing. He's doing [00:33:15] Speaker A: the right thing. Like, [00:33:16] Speaker C: you guys are all wacky. But my point is it's all negative, okay? And it's negative towards me. Like, you're a, you're a crazy person. Like, why are you being so mean to him? They're saying, or they're saying, like, stop stressing out. Like, you need to. You can't make decisions on empty stomach. Like, first of all, it's a joke. Laugh. Haha. Second of all, once 1 or 2, 3, 5, 10 people comment, negative [00:33:38] Speaker A: gallery goes [00:33:38] Speaker C: off. These people that are peeping behind the scenes because they would never dare say it to my face, they just are attracted to the negativity and they all just. [00:33:50] Speaker A: So [00:33:51] Speaker C: they are just jumping. So [00:33:52] Speaker A: can you imagine such a small scale of [00:33:55] Speaker C: who am I? Can you imagine? [00:33:57] Speaker A: So this is why that social media bullying, all the things they happen. And I can relate too, because my videos don't really go viral. But the one video, [00:34:06] Speaker C: you don't even have videos. No, I'm [00:34:08] Speaker A: talking about mom. God, when I did When [00:34:11] Speaker C: I talked about Joey, and my [00:34:13] Speaker A: husband lost his phone immediately. The fucking trolls. [00:34:16] Speaker C: He's cheating. He's cheating on [00:34:17] Speaker A: me. Imagine [00:34:18] Speaker C: if you cared and you thought your husband was cheating. [00:34:20] Speaker A: Imagine [00:34:21] Speaker C: you would be in a dark place. Right? So [00:34:22] Speaker A: it's just like, little like that. That. That's why you have to have really thick skin, number one. And number two, [00:34:27] Speaker C: and you have to build a community, because then you have people who back you up. But I just couldn't believe my eyes. There are. Oh, there are thousands of people in my comment section. [00:34:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:36] Speaker C: All negative. [00:34:36] Speaker A: I know. Then it's like, okay, [00:34:39] Speaker C: am I the problem? No, it's not. How do you. [00:34:42] Speaker A: But it was. It was such a. Like a. You were just videotaping him eating a cheeseburger before. So the first [00:34:47] Speaker C: comment was positive. It was like, I wish I had your husband's nervous system. [00:34:51] Speaker A: That's funny. [00:34:51] Speaker C: Funny. [00:34:52] Speaker A: So funny. [00:34:52] Speaker C: And then one or two people were negative after that. Like, why are you being so mean to your husband? And then thousands became negative. Because once you see negative. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. People [00:34:59] Speaker C: wake up in the morning, they're like, it's time to be negative. On Dominique's [00:35:03] Speaker A: TikTok comment [00:35:04] Speaker C: section. Like, why do you sit behind a phone [00:35:08] Speaker A: and [00:35:08] Speaker C: you see one or two negative comments, and then all you want to do is be negative? You don't know me. You don't want to know me now. And you don't know my husband. You sure as hell don't know his nervous system. Eating a cheeseburger during a canceled flight. [00:35:20] Speaker A: No. [00:35:20] Speaker C: And it just like. And I'm. I'm relating this back to this. Because Sophia received negative limelight. Right? [00:35:27] Speaker A: Right. [00:35:27] Speaker C: And Alex Cooper didn't. Right. Now the roles are reversed. Right. [00:35:31] Speaker A: That's. What's Alex doing now. [00:35:32] Speaker C: Right. And I just, like, couldn't believe my eyes. I can't imagine the hate that Sophia received. [00:35:38] Speaker A: Right. Like, in such a bigger way than. [00:35:41] Speaker C: Oh, in the public eye. Like, I'm. I'm an actual aunt on the floor compared to her. [00:35:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:46] Speaker C: So I just. I just can't imagine, like, what she. She had to be going through. [00:35:53] Speaker A: No. [00:35:53] Speaker C: Or is still going through. [00:35:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:35:55] Speaker C: So that's why it's so important for [00:35:57] Speaker A: everyone to read her book. [00:35:58] Speaker C: Like, would you notice if outsiders were benefiting from conflict between you and your friend? So that brings me to my point. Like, I post a video. It's supposed to be funny to the viewer. They're taking it as negative, and they're benefiting from it because they feel like. I mean, picture this in a public eye. Like, if they're making money off of treating me how they're treating me. Right, Right. That's how it was with [00:36:18] Speaker A: Sophia. Right, Right. [00:36:19] Speaker C: And I just feel like. I mean, once one person's. That it's like. It's like bullying. You see someone bullying. [00:36:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:25] Speaker C: You're bullying this human being. [00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:27] Speaker C: And you're jumping on the bandwagon because everyone else is doing it. [00:36:30] Speaker A: Just like. [00:36:31] Speaker C: And imagine you making money off of it. [00:36:33] Speaker A: It's so terrible. [00:36:34] Speaker C: No, I. I swear to God, I want to make a whole video on this. [00:36:38] Speaker D: Also, though, just to add, I [00:36:40] Speaker C: love breaking the third wall. Go ahead. [00:36:41] Speaker D: Sorry. I'm breaking the wall. Only because I think people are intimidated by your confidence. [00:36:46] Speaker C: 100. Which is like, it makes me feel less confident. [00:36:48] Speaker D: That's why they jump. Because you're like, damn. I see Dom's confidence when you're speaking to certain. [00:36:53] Speaker C: Yes. [00:36:54] Speaker D: And it pulls out an insecurity in them. [00:36:56] Speaker C: Yes. And it makes. [00:36:56] Speaker D: But [00:36:57] Speaker C: they don't know what. They don't care what they're doing to the person behind the camera. So now I'm a confident person, which, as Sophia was. She said she was so confident, and it made her feel less confident because of all. [00:37:07] Speaker A: Well, yeah. [00:37:08] Speaker C: Because [00:37:08] Speaker A: imagine getting all. [00:37:09] Speaker C: And it wasn't even like, you're fat and you're ugly. It was like, why are you being mean to your husband eating a cheeseburger? Like, I'm Like, I'm not. And I feel like I had to explain myself. [00:37:17] Speaker A: Right. I [00:37:17] Speaker C: don't have to explain myself to Susie Q behind the camera. [00:37:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:19] Speaker C: Like, you know, by the phone. [00:37:21] Speaker A: And people need to get a life. [00:37:22] Speaker C: Get a life. Like, I can't imagine these, like, influences. But you know what? Keep them coming. Because any. [00:37:30] Speaker A: Do you feel like that? Do you? [00:37:31] Speaker C: Yeah. I honestly was a little. I was a little. Was a little, like, sideways. I was like, oh, my God. [00:37:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:37] Speaker C: I don't want my content to be negative. Why is this negative? If someone else posted it tomorrow, would it be negative? [00:37:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:37:44] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, and who am I? [00:37:45] Speaker A: Right. No. [00:37:46] Speaker C: So my point of all this, just to relate it back, is like, I can't imagine, like, what she was going through. [00:37:53] Speaker A: No. Because there's also relating it back to motherhood. [00:37:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:58] Speaker A: What would we want our children to do if a group decided someone was the problem? Like. [00:38:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:03] Speaker A: Just like, [00:38:05] Speaker C: I am so against bullying. I mean, as everybody should. But I mean, to a certain extent, like, if you. Like, if you're bullying my son, I give the right to my son to bully you back. [00:38:15] Speaker A: An eye for an eye [00:38:16] Speaker C: punch you right in the oven, eye for an eye. You know that. So I don't know. I just. I. I was never the follower like, I was always. And I. And it's so funny because I feel like. I mean, when people first meet me, they have this connotation that I'm just like. I have so much confidence. I'm a mean girl like this and that. But in high school, like, I wasn't hated. I was. I was very much loved. I treated everyone the same. Theater kid, nerd kid, popular, like, whatever you were in high school, like, I was your friend, and I want my kids to grow up. [00:38:47] Speaker A: And [00:38:47] Speaker C: you treat everybody the same. And if you see someone being bullied, you step in. [00:38:51] Speaker A: Yeah, 100%. [00:38:52] Speaker C: You know. [00:38:54] Speaker A: You [00:38:54] Speaker C: know, I'll come to the school and you fuck up. I don't care how old you are, [00:38:58] Speaker A: I'm your mother. I will take care of things. You [00:39:00] Speaker C: ever see like that? What's that movie? She's like, are you Sadie's mom? [00:39:03] Speaker A: What movie is [00:39:04] Speaker C: that? What movie is it? I forget. I love the actress too, but it was so funny. Are you Sadie's mom? She's like, yeah. He's like, well, I heard, like, you know, your son's hitting my son. [00:39:12] Speaker A: Oh, oh, oh. [00:39:13] Speaker C: She's like, I will kick your fucking ass. It was so [00:39:17] Speaker A: funny. [00:39:18] Speaker C: I think it was one with Zac Efron. Where [00:39:21] Speaker A: do you like Zac Efron? Because people say he looks like your husband. [00:39:24] Speaker C: No, they don't say that. [00:39:25] Speaker A: Yes, they do. [00:39:26] Speaker C: Zac Efron. [00:39:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:28] Speaker C: John Travolta [00:39:29] Speaker A: and Zac Efron. [00:39:30] Speaker C: They don't say Zac Efron. [00:39:31] Speaker A: They do [00:39:31] Speaker C: say Zack. Never heard Zac Efron. [00:39:33] Speaker A: Call [00:39:34] Speaker C: him on the phone right now. They do not tell him he looks like Zac Efron. [00:39:37] Speaker A: Zac Efron. I will call him right now. [00:39:40] Speaker C: I hope he answers you in the meantime. Okay, so let's get into what you're actually calling it. [00:39:47] Speaker A: Yeah, [00:39:48] Speaker C: I've never heard that. You made that up. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Zac Efron. [00:39:50] Speaker C: Zac Efron. Do you know who Zac Efron is? High School Musical. [00:39:54] Speaker A: Please answer. Please. [00:39:55] Speaker C: We're all in this together. Oh, I didn't hear about this part. I forgot. [00:40:02] Speaker A: I won't answer me. [00:40:04] Speaker C: I could be dying in a hole. I guess he's not answering you. Let's see if he calls you back. [00:40:09] Speaker A: Nobody's talking about you. It's my call. [00:40:12] Speaker C: I know. I'm saying I'm with you. [00:40:13] Speaker A: Right? [00:40:14] Speaker C: So anyway, enough about Zac Efron and my husband, because we're getting off topic, let's get into, like, the more vulnerable material here. [00:40:21] Speaker A: Okay. [00:40:21] Speaker C: So did you know that Sophia writes about an abortion in 2023? [00:40:25] Speaker A: I heard that. [00:40:26] Speaker C: I didn't know that. So on top of all this going on. So 2023 wasn't that long ago. It was three years ago. [00:40:32] Speaker A: Right. [00:40:32] Speaker C: So she splits with her best friend. She gets the end of the stick. Did he text you? [00:40:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:38] Speaker C: Do people think you look like Zac Efron? [00:40:40] Speaker A: I'm emceeing a national webinar right now. He's very important. [00:40:45] Speaker C: The drama in that is crazy. Emceeing a national webinar. He did not need to add national. And that's it. [00:40:52] Speaker A: Okay. [00:40:53] Speaker C: National did not need to be added. Like, national webinar. Like. Okay. How many people? Six or seven. Anyway. Crazy. [00:41:05] Speaker A: So [00:41:05] Speaker C: these are, like, the painful parts of her life. Can we focus here? Yeah. Okay, [00:41:08] Speaker A: go. [00:41:09] Speaker C: These are the painful parts of her life. She's going through so much. She has an abortion. So the public, you know, I. I feel like the public has access to her life. Right, [00:41:18] Speaker A: right. [00:41:18] Speaker C: So can someone be unbroken about sex and still have deeply private experiences? So. [00:41:24] Speaker A: So [00:41:25] Speaker C: my point of that is I [00:41:26] Speaker A: could relate to this. Yeah. So. So in their. In their early years, I mean, they were graphic with their sex. Yeah. [00:41:31] Speaker C: Tell me what they would say. [00:41:33] Speaker A: I mean, [00:41:33] Speaker C: I should have, like, read up on that. [00:41:35] Speaker A: Like, I can't remember, like, in details, but, like, they would just, [00:41:38] Speaker C: like, his balls were hair, and a piece of fuzz got into my mouth and it was his hair. Like that? Yeah. [00:41:42] Speaker A: Like. Yeah, but like, also, like, the way they came though, like, orgasms, all this stuff. They would really. It was like, real raw girl talk that, like, you only talk about with, like, your best friends. Pillow talk. Like that. And they. They did it on camera. So I. So people have a problem when Sophia is talking about, like, a very vulnerable, vulnerable thing, like an abortion, and they're like, oh, she's a whore. Anyway, like that. How can you say that? Like, [00:42:07] Speaker C: how are you relating this back to you again? [00:42:11] Speaker A: No, I'm relating it back to, like, me talking, like, very sexually. And then, like, if I. If there's something that, like, I wouldn't want to share, like, a personal thing in my life, if sexual or not, it's like, I can still. It's still. It's still my story to tell. Like, if I want to talk about, like, my husband coming on my face yesterday, but today I don't, then I won't. [00:42:29] Speaker C: You won't. [00:42:29] Speaker A: So, like, Sophia didn't want to talk about the abortion. [00:42:32] Speaker C: How do people know about the. [00:42:34] Speaker A: Well, I think that she was. I don't know if they did, because she was just talking about it in the book. I'm not sure. [00:42:39] Speaker C: Okay, so maybe people didn't even know. [00:42:41] Speaker A: Right? Yeah, I don't. I don't know that. [00:42:43] Speaker C: Right. [00:42:44] Speaker A: But it is also just being, like, in the public eye. Like, people are going to talk, especially if you were once talking about the way you. That you were talking, like, on a podcast. [00:42:56] Speaker C: I was once like this, and now I don't want to talk [00:42:58] Speaker A: about it right now. And. But that's where Alex kind of, like, curved her whole personality, because now she wanted to be, like, the boss lady that wasn't fucking, [00:43:08] Speaker C: but still, like, daddy gang. [00:43:09] Speaker A: Right. So she made a. She made, like a turn. [00:43:12] Speaker C: Yeah. And I feel like everybody else was giving Sophia's feelings without Sophia giving her feelings because they thought they knew her behind a microphone. [00:43:21] Speaker A: Yes. [00:43:21] Speaker C: Like you don't know. [00:43:22] Speaker A: Right. [00:43:24] Speaker C: So anyway, enough about that. I feel so bad for. I. I need to read this book, like, I generally do. It's like, in our houses right now. I [00:43:30] Speaker A: know, and it's so funny because I really. I'm not a reader, but, like, I will actually turn the pages and read these. [00:43:36] Speaker C: Just that she never read a book in her [00:43:37] Speaker A: life. [00:43:38] Speaker C: She's opening the book. That's so funny. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about the book's release, because I'm so curious about how she went six years, maybe gathering her thoughts or whatever. Maybe she signed an NDA or. I think she did and she couldn't write about it. And then she writes this book and, like, she's obviously saying it. Like in. In one of a podcast she was on, she was like, hi, Alex, I'm talking about you. Like, she don't give a. [00:44:03] Speaker A: She's like, we're saying names. [00:44:05] Speaker C: We're saying names. Like, you know all about Dave [00:44:08] Speaker A: Portnoy in the bathroom. [00:44:09] Speaker C: Yes. Say names. So Sophia reportedly alleges that Matt Kaplan, which is Alex Cooper's husband, threatened legal action through her agent. Unwell. Denied. Which is. So Alex Cooper's network, that he discussed the book's claims or an intention to sue with her agency. [00:44:30] Speaker A: So this was before the book actually came out because they were trying to get their hands on it, but she wouldn't release it to anybody. [00:44:35] Speaker C: Oh, I know. [00:44:36] Speaker A: It was like, locked. [00:44:37] Speaker C: I know. Good for her. [00:44:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:39] Speaker C: Like. Okay, so. So my question is, she obviously didn't need to tell Alex Cooper she was releasing this book, right? [00:44:46] Speaker A: No, [00:44:47] Speaker C: no. There's no NDA anymore. I'm [00:44:48] Speaker A: sure she did all the legal stuff that she needed to do. [00:44:51] Speaker C: So what can we fairly have an opinion about when two parties give conflicting accounts? So you hear two sides of a story. I mean, that's how I am. Like, how the helly. [00:45:01] Speaker A: Mm. [00:45:03] Speaker C: I'm just going off of what I know. [00:45:05] Speaker A: Right. But before this, all we knew was Alex Cooper's side. [00:45:08] Speaker C: Right. [00:45:09] Speaker A: So. [00:45:09] Speaker C: But now that the book's coming out, obviously people are switching gears. Right. And [00:45:14] Speaker A: now. And Alex will come back and say something like, [00:45:17] Speaker C: do you think she will? Because I'm unsure. I [00:45:20] Speaker A: don't know. Now that she just had a baby, she might be like, you know what? Let people talk. [00:45:25] Speaker C: And also, like, I have beef with Matt Kaplan. I think I know nothing about. I actually may or may not know what he looks like, but I just have. I feel like. I just feel like he is bad news. [00:45:35] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know him at all. [00:45:36] Speaker C: And I feel like it's going to be a lot of that in the book, which I feel like I heard that there is. So again, we didn't read it yet. We were going to read it back. We'll report back. I feel like we know enough to discuss, but let's get into, like, the friendship breakups, like, can change and how you see yourself, like, after that. Like, how did Sophia see yourself herself? Like, okay, so she goes through all this drama, right? Her best friend. Now her boyfriend, Matt Kaplan, husband is taking legal action, probably because he's like. He's like the man in charge back there. And I'd heard there was, like, a phone call with them where he was, like, screaming at her or whatever. So I'm feeling [00:46:09] Speaker A: like screaming at Sophia. [00:46:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, masculine energy and [00:46:12] Speaker A: imagine, like, being so. I mean, I can relate to Sophia. Like, I feel like she. There's. She was like, in a world of all these big dogs, like. [00:46:19] Speaker C: Right. [00:46:19] Speaker A: I mean, you're dealing with barstool, you're dealing with big [00:46:23] Speaker C: companies, [00:46:23] Speaker A: deport noise. Like, and then you're just like this one little person [00:46:27] Speaker C: working at Morgan Stanley. Like. Yeah. Trying to make money here. [00:46:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:30] Speaker A: I mean, [00:46:31] Speaker C: yeah. It's a lot. [00:46:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:32] Speaker C: But most importantly, obviously, we can relate most to this. And I just feel like we talked about this. Like, romantic breakups, I feel like, are less harmful than friendship breakups. Because, I mean, we said it straight up. Like, you talk about everything with your friends. [00:46:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:50] Speaker C: I mean, yeah. Like, you're romantic. I mean, it's more sexual and more chemistry and all that stuff. But friendships like, you and I, like, you probably know the most about me, maybe [00:47:01] Speaker A: even [00:47:01] Speaker C: more than Michael does. [00:47:02] Speaker A: I feel like in like intimate. It could be a lot of different things, but like, intimately, with like your best friend. Like, like, I know all my friends [00:47:11] Speaker C: deepest, darkest secrets. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Like, I don't know Joey. Like, he wouldn't tell me his deepest [00:47:14] Speaker C: secret [00:47:14] Speaker A: because, like, it's probably on me. Like, I [00:47:17] Speaker C: like, you are probably the deepest. [00:47:18] Speaker A: Like, so. So I feel like with a friendship and I actually can say that I don't think I've ever like, lost a deep friendship. Like, I just haven't had a breakup like that. But if I did, like with you or one of my closest girlfriends, I can imagine it is like, gut wrenchingly awful. [00:47:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:36] Speaker A: So that is sad. [00:47:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:47:39] Speaker A: No matter. No matter. No matter why it happened, it's sad. [00:47:42] Speaker C: Yeah. So, like, what would you think hurts more? The actual, like, losing your friend or finding out how they describe you afterwards? [00:47:51] Speaker A: I think, I think the way they described you after. Because, like, how did I [00:47:56] Speaker C: look at my friendship? Like that. Right? Like. [00:47:58] Speaker A: Right. Like, and like, be. And [00:47:59] Speaker C: how do you know [00:48:00] Speaker A: that thing was blindsided? I feel like [00:48:02] Speaker C: I constantly say, like, that's not me. I would never. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:48:06] Speaker C: Even though it has nothing to do with me, if I'm talking about someone, I would be. I. If I had to, like, give someone advice, I'd be like, that's not me. You know me. [00:48:13] Speaker A: Right? [00:48:13] Speaker C: That's not like [00:48:14] Speaker A: you. Yeah. Like, you know me. You know I would never do something like that. [00:48:17] Speaker C: And like. But imagine someone talking about you on top of being in the public eye. Yeah. Etc. Like, I just feel like, imagine someone talking like that about you. You go to a shell of yourself. [00:48:26] Speaker A: No. Yeah. And like you said, someone talking about you and then the public eye, and then you get hundreds of thousands. [00:48:32] Speaker C: All your ideas are out in the light and you're like, that's my idea. Imagine walking into a store and seeing your idea on the shelf. [00:48:38] Speaker A: No, [00:48:39] Speaker C: I would. I would cause a scene like, you can't imagine. [00:48:42] Speaker A: Yeah. That is just. [00:48:43] Speaker C: No. [00:48:44] Speaker A: And like, how do you live every single day, like, knowing that she took that from you. You could also be a billionaire, but you're not. [00:48:51] Speaker C: The guy doesn't like you as much as you like the other partner. [00:48:55] Speaker A: It's gotta be so hard. [00:48:56] Speaker C: I just feel like, how do you. How can you be happy for someone's success while you still are hurt by how they treated you? Like, do you think Sophia was ever, ever happy for Alex? No way. [00:49:07] Speaker A: I don't think so. The way it all went down, I could see how it. In a different circumstance, maybe she could have been, but not the way that Alex treated her. From what everyone is saying. [00:49:17] Speaker C: Yeah. She, like, absolutely despises her. Right? [00:49:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Although she did say in an interview if Alex [00:49:24] Speaker C: came out, she said she wasn't that about her. If she wanted to. Come on. [00:49:28] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't see that. But I did see Sophia say, if Alex gave a genuine apology and, like, actually, girl to girl, explained why she did everything, she. She would accept it. [00:49:40] Speaker C: I would accept it too. [00:49:41] Speaker A: I mean, that's all some people need. We're human. Like, [00:49:44] Speaker C: human. [00:49:44] Speaker A: If you sat me down and was like, m. Like, I. It was. There was $60 million and, like, I have a family feed and. Yeah, like, [00:49:53] Speaker C: I was selfish. I was greedy. I wanted it all for myself. I didn't see you as successful, and I saw myself. Like, I would want to hear [00:49:59] Speaker A: that. That hurts. To hear [00:50:00] Speaker C: me determine how I want to. [00:50:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, don't be slimy about it. Like, be straight up about it. And maybe that holds higher value to the person that you're hurting. [00:50:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Because. Yeah. I mean, it's. If you can't say that, then your mind just goes in all these other places. It's just like, she thought for so many years she was so close with this girl. [00:50:22] Speaker C: That's a thought in itself. Yeah. You know how you thought you were. It's like, almost as if, like, you like somebody and they don't like you back. It's like, how did I not know you didn't like me? [00:50:30] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. [00:50:31] Speaker C: But I feel like this is a good question for you, and I'll answer it, too, but what's something you tolerated in friendships in your 20s that you would address immediately now? [00:50:39] Speaker A: Oh, [00:50:40] Speaker C: do you think. I feel like. Actually, it might be a better question for me. [00:50:43] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe for you. Because I still have my same friends from one of my 20s. [00:50:46] Speaker C: I know, but, like, what. [00:50:47] Speaker A: Oh, what would I. [00:50:48] Speaker C: What. What didn't. What did you tolerate back then that you would be, like, not tolerating now? [00:50:52] Speaker A: Okay, let me think. [00:50:56] Speaker C: Like, maybe something they say, maybe something they do. Like, maybe, like, this is so stupid, like, not coming to a birthday dinner. Like, you wouldn't care back then. Maybe you do now. Maybe wishing you happy birthday. Like, you didn't care if they didn't wish you had birthday back then, but maybe you do now. What wouldn't you tolerate? [00:51:13] Speaker A: Or [00:51:14] Speaker C: you just tolerate everything you don't [00:51:15] Speaker A: know? I'm sure there is something, but I. What about you? [00:51:19] Speaker C: I Well, I don't tolerate, like, talking. Like, I. I just feel like back then it was like, whatever. Like, everyone's just like, no one actually means it. But I feel like it's more hurtful now maybe, like, if you're, like, talking or lying behind my back, like, I feel like I wouldn't tolerate that. Although I feel like I wouldn't tolerate it back then either. Yeah, [00:51:38] Speaker A: I feel like you would never. [00:51:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, that's a stupid one. I guess I just had something in my mind, though. I guess showing up. Like, I don't tolerate in the sense, like, I don't care if you don't show up. But I. Like, if you showed up or didn't show up back then, [00:51:57] Speaker A: I [00:51:57] Speaker C: would still be your. But [00:51:59] Speaker A: now if you don't show up, if [00:52:00] Speaker C: you do or you don't, like, if you don't or do show up, I still. I guess I, like, I can't explain. Like, I guess I, like, take more notes now. [00:52:10] Speaker A: You take notes. [00:52:11] Speaker C: Like, I just take notes. Like, it's not about show. I guess it is about showing up. Like, I don't tolerate anymore. Like, if you don't show up for me and I'm showing up for you, because back then I'm like, I. I'm gonna do for her. Like, I don't need anything in return, which I still don't. But showing. No [00:52:26] Speaker A: showing up. [00:52:27] Speaker C: If you're not showing up for me and I'm showing up for you, game over. [00:52:30] Speaker A: Yeah, [00:52:30] Speaker C: Like, I think I wouldn't tolerate that anymore. I think. I think that's my thing. [00:52:33] Speaker A: I think that's a good. That's good because in your 20s, sometimes. Not that we didn't care, it's just like, [00:52:38] Speaker C: who's showing up anyway? Everyone's just like, yeah, [00:52:41] Speaker A: yeah, [00:52:42] Speaker C: yeah, yeah. Like, I wonder if Alex Cooper regrets her decisions and feels like she knows she treated her unfairly, but she just doesn't give a. [00:52:52] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:52:53] Speaker C: But, like, they can never coexist anymore. There's no [00:52:56] Speaker A: way. Right? [00:52:57] Speaker C: They can never. Living her [00:52:58] Speaker A: high life. No. I think that she just worked her way to the top. She's at pretty much the top, [00:53:05] Speaker C: and literally at the top. [00:53:07] Speaker A: She's has a husband she loves. She just had a baby. Maybe she's unbothered. [00:53:12] Speaker C: Maybe she's a mother, which is crazy. [00:53:14] Speaker A: And she's probably a sociopath. [00:53:16] Speaker C: Yeah. And a narcissist. Okay. So obviously, like, the Internet chose a winner, and I feel like. But [00:53:23] Speaker A: now this. [00:53:23] Speaker C: How did the Internet choose who was successful? [00:53:26] Speaker A: But this is Redemption. Sophia. [00:53:28] Speaker C: I hope [00:53:29] Speaker A: she. [00:53:30] Speaker C: I reconsider my opinion. Like, I am switched. [00:53:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:34] Speaker C: And although I wasn't, like, totally sold on Alex Cooper, I obviously, I admired the shit out of her, but I totally, like, I just feel like if someone waits years to speak, she's healed and she is able to move on. And that's why, you know, [00:53:53] Speaker A: she said that her. Sophia said that her mom was more hurt over the whole situation than [00:53:58] Speaker C: her, which [00:53:59] Speaker A: I could really resonate [00:54:00] Speaker C: with, because if [00:54:00] Speaker A: that happened to [00:54:01] Speaker C: my daughter. [00:54:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, oh, God, it's just so. So [00:54:05] Speaker C: my mom was always more hurt at friends. [00:54:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. Well. Cuz now being a mother, [00:54:09] Speaker C: it's like, you're [00:54:10] Speaker A: their heart. Like, [00:54:11] Speaker C: forget it. Our kids are my hand [00:54:14] Speaker A: out of our bodies. [00:54:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:15] Speaker A: Our hearts. Our hearts are walking around. And when you hurt that heart, it's like [00:54:20] Speaker C: my soul. [00:54:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:23] Speaker C: Soul. [00:54:23] Speaker A: So. [00:54:24] Speaker C: Okay, well, let's bring it back to motherhood, like, a little bit. Like, [00:54:27] Speaker A: okay, [00:54:28] Speaker C: what would we want our children to do? We kind of talked about that. How do we teach loyalty without teaching children to tolerate, like, mistreatment? Like, how [00:54:36] Speaker A: do [00:54:36] Speaker C: you teach that? [00:54:37] Speaker A: I mean, I think you, you're. You lead by example. You have to show your kids what loyalty means. And like, so [00:54:44] Speaker C: you have to. I think to me it's like not even telling them. It's like just showing them physically how to be loyal. Like, showing up for people, you know, admiring them when they're present with you. Like, appreciating them when they're gone. [00:54:56] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, your kids see everything, so. [00:55:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:01] Speaker A: If they don't see you doing the right thing, then they won't. [00:55:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:55:06] Speaker A: It's kind of as simple as that. [00:55:08] Speaker C: I mean, I just feel like, are we modeling the kind of behavior like, we would want them to use? Like, I mean, I feel like our kids are young still, but I hope, like, we're modeling. Like, there's no way to know until, like, your kid is in a situation. I guess right now. [00:55:26] Speaker A: I think [00:55:26] Speaker C: you're doing the right [00:55:27] Speaker A: thing. Yeah. I have to pee so bad. [00:55:32] Speaker C: We're literally almost done. Two seconds. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Just hold it. [00:55:36] Speaker C: So if our child was the person everyone was laughing at, would we still call it harmless Internet drama? Because that's what people are saying. Like, it's just Internet drama. [00:55:49] Speaker A: For Sophia. [00:55:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:52] Speaker A: It's not. It was her whole world. [00:55:54] Speaker C: I'm saying [00:55:54] Speaker A: I know I'm [00:55:55] Speaker C: on the Internet. Like, I'm a person of connection. I can feel people's emotions. So, like, I know is more than just Internet drama. [00:56:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:01] Speaker C: People don't know what they do to people on the Internet. [00:56:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And also [00:56:04] Speaker C: when it's just Internet drama, it's someone's whole life behind the phone. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Right. It's. It's more than Internet drama. But to. To an average Joe, yes, it might just be Internet drama, but it's not, so. [00:56:17] Speaker C: It's absolutely not. [00:56:19] Speaker A: Stop commenting mean things. [00:56:21] Speaker C: I mean, her whole life was. I mean, again, it's like one of those things where, like, in my head, Sophia was, like, the dirty one. Sophia [00:56:29] Speaker A: issue. Well, she was the one who didn't want to sign the 500,000. She was a greedy whore. But then Alex takes. Takes the company runs with it and signs for 60 million. Like, why isn't she the greedy whore? [00:56:41] Speaker C: Right. But the inner right guides you to think otherwise. [00:56:45] Speaker A: Right. [00:56:46] Speaker C: Which is insane. [00:56:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:48] Speaker C: So I would love to ask you just, like, three questions, and you asked me in return. [00:56:54] Speaker A: Okay. [00:56:56] Speaker C: So what is something you see differently now on their friendship? [00:57:00] Speaker A: I mean, everything, really. I [00:57:02] Speaker C: don't want, like, asking you questions. [00:57:04] Speaker A: No, it's like. So in 2018, when I was a fan of both of them, I thought that they were, like, unbreakable. And now it's just, like, to see the deceit and, like, everything that Alex did to Sophia behind the scenes, it's like she's spilling her whole. Their whole relationship. And in the book, we didn't read all of it, but, like, she tells about something. Like, really the gloves are off. Like, she [00:57:33] Speaker C: talks [00:57:33] Speaker A: about. She talks about everything now because she has nothing to lose. And it's like, you. You really can't see inside somebody's relationship because it's their relationship. But, like, you can see now you see her side. So I feel. I really feel for Sophia for all that she went through. [00:57:49] Speaker C: Yeah. Do you feel like there's more that you don't know about, though? Like, what is something that you're so interested to know about? I feel like I'm interested to know, like, the actual conversations that occurred. [00:58:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:02] Speaker C: Between the two of them. For her to, like, how did she actually do this behind her back and her not know. Like, I need to know how that happened. [00:58:10] Speaker A: I. I think. I think as I get older, like, I see, like, people do what they want. [00:58:15] Speaker C: I [00:58:16] Speaker A: know they do do whatever they want, and they really don't care. And if you. And if you don't think about it, you don't harp on it, and you just do it. I [00:58:24] Speaker C: wish I could do that. There's no. I don't. I don't have that. [00:58:27] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that. That's Good on your. [00:58:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I know [00:58:29] Speaker A: that's good on you. But I, I, I. As I get older, I do see that people can do that, and it's sad. And I think that's just what Alex did. She just. She just didn't really care. She didn't care about Sophia's feelings. She didn't care about anything the way she twisted. [00:58:44] Speaker C: But [00:58:44] Speaker A: those [00:58:45] Speaker C: are the most successful people, hence her but. [00:58:48] Speaker A: Right. [00:58:48] Speaker C: You're not a good human. But again, people don't give a. They're. They're not your mom, your dad, your sister, your brother, your dog, your cat, your friend. They're watching you through the camera. They want that. They want that entertainment. Yeah. They want to see you successful. They don't care if you're a good human being or not. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Right. [00:59:03] Speaker C: They still won't after all this comes out. I guarantee she's still at the top. [00:59:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:06] Speaker C: Which is the saddest part. [00:59:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:08] Speaker C: They say in the book, there's no justice, I guess. [00:59:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:12] Speaker C: The book coming out is justice. [00:59:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:14] Speaker C: But, you know, they say that there's no. There's no justice. But I just feel like, just to close this out, you don't have to decide that one person is perfect to reconsider how the other person was treated. I think that's huge. [00:59:28] Speaker A: That's powerful. Yeah. Because there's always gonna be two sides to every story. Right. And there's [00:59:35] Speaker C: always gonna be two truths. [00:59:36] Speaker A: There's gonna be two truths [00:59:37] Speaker C: and a lie. [00:59:38] Speaker A: Oh, we should play that game. [00:59:39] Speaker C: I know. [00:59:40] Speaker A: But I do think that it was very important and healing for Sofia to finally tell her truth. [00:59:47] Speaker C: I'm so proud of her. I think this book is going to be a good thing for her, whether there's justice or not. I hope she feels healed. I hope she feels that she's gotten everything she's wanted. And [00:59:59] Speaker A: I hope she feels that she's worthy. Like, [01:00:00] Speaker C: she's worthy. She's absolutely worthy. [01:00:02] Speaker A: She. She created the podcast just like Alex Cooper did. They were there [01:00:07] Speaker C: 60 bill. Whatever. No, [01:00:09] Speaker A: but [01:00:09] Speaker C: like. [01:00:10] Speaker A: Like that. That's got to be a hard pill to swallow. [01:00:13] Speaker C: I know, [01:00:13] Speaker A: but she. I mean, and her life. Her. Her life will go on. She's. She has a beautiful marriage. She's. I'm sure they'll live happily ever after. And she can still. Like, she was recovering from this, and she's getting on every podcast and their mother. So. [01:00:30] Speaker C: So she can come on ours if she wants. [01:00:31] Speaker A: Come on. We're [01:00:32] Speaker C: here. So. So for the f. Okay. [01:00:35] Speaker A: Sex voice and all. [01:00:36] Speaker C: We love you. [01:00:37] Speaker A: Love you. [01:00:37] Speaker C: Bye.